Eagle fans humiliate themselves on National Stage (again)

So, like, hey, if you don't, like, effing care for the way we do things 'round here,go back to whatever effing redneck effing place you'all came from? I mean, like, really, go back there and stagnate. I mean, like, hey, dude, we don't like effing carpetbaggers either. Get my drift? Following right along? I mean, like, go back to whatever red neck, backwoods, inbred, armhole of the Confederacy that you'all came from.

You'all have a nice day!

McNabb has always been overrated. Perhaps in the top half of quarterbacks, but I could always name ten who were better.

I'd place McNabb a bit higher than top half, but his basic hypothesis is correct. McNabb is a poor reader of defenses--something contradictory to the effective operation of a West Coast Offense. You will never see the efficiency from McNabb that you saw yesterday or you see regularly from quarterbacks like Peyton Manning or Chad Pennington, who can make 5 reads in the time it takes McNabb to make 2. However, in a standard offense with a real running game, McNabb could be one of the best. IF you gave him real play fake ability (no one goes for the play fake in Andy's offense because they never run), McNabb would not have to make 5 reads. In my view, this offense is the wrong offense for McNabb. That is far more of an indictment of the coach than the quarterback. I could give you 10-15 quarterbacks who have won Super Bowls who are not nearly as good as McNabb....so the problem really lies elsewhere.

A few things.

"Perhaps in the top half of quarterbacks, but I could always name ten who were better."

No, you couldn't. You couldn't then and you can't now. If you think you can you're even dumber than the average Eagles fan, and the average Eagles fan is pretty f****** stupid. When healthy, the only quarterback in the NFL better than Donovan McNabb the last four seasons has been Peyton Manning. Anyone who says otherwise either a) doesn't know anything about football (likely), b) is retarded (also likely), or c) is probably both (very likely).

With all due respect to Palestra Jon and his penchant for completely going up on tiebreakers (two in one night!) what the Eagles run isn't a true West Coast offense. They run too many deep slants - no West Coast offense would lead the league in 20+ yard plays like the Eagles did under McNabb (and may again after last night, I'd have to check) - and (as Jon noted) have no serious play-action threat. But, as Jon correctly noted (unlike last night's tiebreakers) the Eagles problems on offense are almost entirely related to boneheaded coaching.

Defense, now, that's another matter. The Eagles defense just sucks.

JLK

The booing of Garcia was sickening. I did not grow up here and maybe that is why I am so offended. It was not funny or excusable. Philly fans are shameful. At least the majority that were there last night. Just disgusting. You are right they don't deserve a parade for that assinine response.

Hey Neil,

I would LOVE to see your list of 10 QBs who are better then McNabb. I've got 4: Manning, Brady, Palmer, and Brees. Who else you got, Neil? JP Losman? Rex Grossman? David Garrard? Again, I am dying to see this list.

I did get to catch the booing of Santa featurette produced by ESPN. Actually, I kind of liked it because we finally got a chance to hear the guy who played Santa that fateful day talk about his woes. We also got the chance to hear the Guv'nor's memories of the event. Funny. The Stallone thing, though, was way too much...does ESPN have any $$$ interest in the box office of the flick? How bad was it when Kornhesiser got Sly to say "yo Adrian." Groan. Was it just me or was Sly also showing his hand as a Giants fan, since he's not even from the 215, or Pennsylvania for that matter (no offense, JGT). The booing thing--well, let's just hope that it toughens Garcia up. Feely was stalking the sidelines and fallowing Andy around like someone's little brother on the JV squad--which is exactly what he is. Although Heather Mitts is still a total hottie.

I was at the game, and I barely even noticed the booing of Garcia. That stuff happens in every city. It really does. It just gets amplified in Philadelphia because of our very undeserved reputation.

Have you ever been to a game in Cleveland? Those fans have done some unbelievable crap in their past.

Guys, didn't you hear what the announcers said? (I know, it was hard to make them out since they had a body part of Tony Romo in their mouths during the broadcast.)

Garcia said the booing motivates him. They were just trying to help.

Actually the booing was misreported and misinterpreted during the television broadcast. The booing was NOT being directed at Garcia wanting to stay in the game. At the same time when that was happening the jumbotron in the stadium was showing a replay of the cheap shot hit Garcia took and THAT was what the fans were booing. The cheering was for Feely and was just because Feely has always been liked in Philly since that year and his personality and all not because Garcia was hurt. The MNF crew just jumped on it and made it out like they were booing Garcia because the media loves to portray Eagles fans as brutes. I mean, the Santa thing happened 40 years ago! And they failed to mention the fact that santa was blind drunk at the time too.

Oh and Kornheiser is a serious tool.

My old friend Sly actually did live in the 215 area code at one time. He went to Lincoln H.S. up in Mayfair.
I don't know why my old friends, the Neanderthals, keep getting compared to the fans at the Linc. Us Neanderthals can't afford the tickets!

Actually, at 57% completions, McNabb has the second lowest completion percentage among all starting QB's in the NFL (Grossman is worse). That is completely unacceptable in the West Coast Offense, where 90% of the passes are 10 yards or less. His interception/TD ratio is great (6:18), but again, when you throw that many short passes, you don't risk many interceptions...additionally, you throw a lot around the end zone (which is why he has thrown a couple of terrible interceptions in the red zone). This tells you 2 things...that he is not an accurate thrower, and this offense is not suited to someone like him who has the ability to stretch the field.

the crowd was certainly pro-feely with many 'we want AJ' chants, but they weren't booing garcia getting slammed to the ground. i didn't see it broadcasted on tv so i had no idea it was being reported like that but it definitely didn't go down like that inside the stadium.

Johnny,
Maybe now you'll understand why that despite having been born in South Philly and despite being a diehard Phillies, Sixers and Flyers fan as well as a huge Big 5 basketball fan that I just can not ever bring myself to 100% fully support the Eagles. This is just the latest in a long string of embarrasing moments that Eagles fans have taken part in over the years. If they really were booing the replay of Garcia getting hit and not the fact that Garcia was staying in the game, then I apologize, but it sure seemed like they were cheering for Feely warming up and then they started booing when Garcia stayed on the field and went into the huddle. As for the Santa Claus story, I agree with Chill Rob A that it was pretty good, because I had actually never heard the full story before and I thought it was pretty interesting. I had no idea that they had just pulled some drunk guy from the stands in a crappy Santa costume because the guy who was supposed to be Santa never showed up. As for McNabb, I agree with you that he is one of the top five QBs in the game. He is still the only QB in history to throw for over 30 TDs and under 10 INTs in a season and as for the comment about that being because he only throws short passes, before he got hurt this season, the Eagles had a ridiculous number of big passing plays this season and these were not just short passes that guys ran a long way with but were also several long bombs. I think that they have the most plays of over 50 yards this season. Of course none of this is a legitimate excuse for me being a Giants fan, but what are you gonna do.
-Koob

The sentiment from WIP on-air people today who were at the game, for whatever it's worth, were that the boos were for the hit replay. What the fans are looking at & what the TV camera is showing at the same time that crowd audio leaks through are 2 different things & the MNF crew should know that. God those guys are awful...

I thought that Garcia did a great job & I'd much rather have him in than AJF.

McNabb throws a lot of awful passes to the flat and he guns a lot of the close ones too hard. Between that & his usual receiving corps you end up with a pretty high incompletion rate pretty quickly. He's still one of the top few QBs in the league though.

Yeah, I listened to WIP a lot today and heard the same excuses. To me, it's just revisionist history, stated by fans who booed Garcia and then felt guilty when he put on a gutsy and clutch performance in the 4th. If they were cheering something else when Garcia stayed down, then booed something else at exactly the moment he rose to his feet and AJ went back to the bench, it was a REMARKABLE coincidence. And I disagree about the MNF crew. I actually think that Theismann is much less of an idiot this year now that Kornheiser calls him on his BS, and Tirico is serviceable as play by play guy. And I'm a huge Kornheiser fan (PTI is the only show on TV that I watch on a regualr basis). I actually think it's decent, althought the Rocky thing was pretty annoying.

You like the MNF crew, the Metro is your favorite paper... there's no other way to put this: Johnny, you have awful taste.

Plus he likes Rap Music. Real Awful Taste.

Johnny,

When we were discussing this earlier, I misunderstood what play you were talking about. The fans at the stadium (including myself) were definitely booing the replay of the hit on Garcia. I'm 99% confident of this. People turned to the jumbotron where the hit was being replayed, not to the sidelines. To be perfectly honest, I don't think the majority of the people in the stadium can see what's happening on the sidelines even when they ARE looking. I certainly didn't see AJ warming up. That being said, there were plenty of jerk-offs there calling for AJ, and there were indeed some morons who cheered EVERY time Garcia got hit. I'm not defending those idiots, but I am defending the crowd in general. I don't think this is a case of revisionist history at all.

I am always amused by the complaints about fans being fickle and booing and then cheering the same athlete. There are 68,000+ fans in the stands. If 10,000 boo, it's noticeable. If another 40,000 cheer the guy when he makes a good play. That's not being fickle. That's just different opinions being heard.

As for the WIP calls and revisionist history. Who is going to call in the day after a big win. The guys who booed Garcia. No. Why would you call and say, yeah, "I was wrong. I booed the hometown QB when he got thrown to the turf. And I stand by that." No one's going to put themselves up for that riddicule.

Are Eagles fans perfect? Not by a long shot. But remember there's a lot of people at the game. And you can't really paint them all with the same wide brush.

Sure you can. Just go to MAB and grab an extra large can of "bad reputation" and be sure to coat it with plenty of "I can't be bothered to look for anything new so I'll just re-hash 20 year old accusations." That should help do the trick.
Yes -the MNF crew is better than last year and Kornheiser is an improvement over lots of folks, especially Dennins Miller. He hasn't been funny since he sold out and did those TGIFridays ads. Maple pecan salmon?#! WTF!
If people want to boo Garcia and welcome AJ so be it. They did buy tickets for the game. Are they right? Only WIP can tell us for sure. They are the final arbitrers of truth in the universe and are generally balenced and relaxed when making a point.

A.J. comes in the game at that point, and the Eagles lose. McNabb starts that game, the Eagles lose. Garcia runs around like Favre, and has great accuracy and guts. The fans of Philadelphia are idiots. Seriously, alcohol needs to be banned for games, but that would cost the Eagles too much money, so the drunken idiots will just continue to hurt this team and this city. shame. Im embarrassed to wear any eagles merchandise now.

and by the way, kornheiser sucks. total idiot. sounds like a fag when he talks, and is a gossiper and likes to start crap. i hate him.